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superbiscuit 2009-12-11T12:09:00
subject: re: Fighting the %10 success rate
in reply to outzider in message #30:
That's a pretty cheap shot for a body to pull on a guy. Caffeine is easily the only reason I ever get anything done.

Never again is what you swore the time before.
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dilanium 2009-12-11T13:14:29
subject: re: Fighting the %10 success rate
in reply to outzider in message #30:
I go on and off caffeine. I'm pretty much totally off soda though. right now my caffeine fix comes from coffee or tea, and if it's coffee I only have one a day (or I will literally be up ALL night).

It's pretty hard to wean myself completely off caffeine, because just when I'm off it a couple of weeks of insanity come along where I pretty much need it to get everything done.

And the worst part is I'm actually starting to enjoy coffee.

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metalyxmii 2009-12-11T13:58:38
subject: re: Fighting the %10 success rate
in reply to outzider in message #30:
I'm nearly envious. 2mg, delivered intravenously to the left testicle. Repeat as necessary. Hey man, don't judge me. You ever sucked dick for Mountain Dew?

Today is the quit day, and moving up to 1mg chantix twice a day. No ghoulies yet.

All universal moral principles are idle fancies.
-Marquis De Sade
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chuckster 2009-12-11T17:11:08
subject: re: Fighting the %10 success rate
in reply to superbiscuit in message #31:
Shit! My coffee grinder broke and the beans are getting caught in my nose. Caffeine free indeed.

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morbidskittle187 2009-12-12T09:50:14
subject: re: Fighting the %10 success rate
in reply to chuckster in message #34:
Ha ha ha ha!

You gotta keep some pre-ground handy for instances like that!



-Skittle-
I am accustomed to sleep, and in my dreams to imagine the same things that lunatics imagine when awake. -Rene Descartes
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paradox 2009-12-12T12:24:27
subject: re: Fighting the %10 success rate
in reply to chuckster in message #34:
Hehe, nice. Have you tried adding powdered creamer first?

I am Thwart-Man! *thwart* *thwart* *thwart*
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chuckster 2009-12-12T14:31:58
subject: re: Fighting the %10 success rate
in reply to morbidskittle187 in message #35:
... but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? KJV

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chuckster 2009-12-12T14:35:54
subject: re: Fighting the %10 success rate
in reply to paradox in message #36:
Shake, rattle, and roll.

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ygolohcysp 2009-12-12T17:00:08
subject: re: Fighting the %10 success rate
in reply to metalyxmii in message #33:
Hey, I've gotta give you props for quitting. I quit using Chantix, and it was totally effective. It's been a year and a half now. I had planned on taking it for the full six months, but in the second month, I started getting more and more sick to my stomach when I'd take it. I ended up quitting the Chantix during the first week of my third month, so around week 9.

I second Chuck's suggestion of deep breaths. I would try to inhale as deeply as possible, even to the point of pain. It helped. I found the worst intervals were 1 week after quitting, and 1 month after quitting. That's when it was worst for me. Aside from that, as compared with other failed attempts in my past, using the Chantix made quitting downright easy by comparison.

It did help me to think of it as becoming a nonsmoker rather than quitting. It gave me a more permanent mindset.

Good luck.

ygolohcysp (insert nonreadable handwriting here)
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chuckster 2009-12-12T19:28:03
subject: re: Fighting the %10 success rate
in reply to ygolohcysp in message #39:
Bringing out the self-perception of becoming a non-smoker vs someone that is quitting is a great point. Somewhat down that line of thought, I've never understood how people that join AA could deal with the constant reminder that they are, and always will be, alcoholics. Seems like a recipe for disasterous recidivism to me. I'm a firm believer that people tend to live up to the definitions of themselves that they have bought into, be it by their own devices or other's.

I simply no longer think of myself as a smoker, though having been a smoker is, and always will be, a part of my persona.

I'm talking to my wife about Chantix. Yours and Metal's input is appreciated.


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metalyxmii 2009-12-13T11:45:01
subject: re: Fighting the %10 success rate
in reply to metalyxmii in message #33:
3rd day on the Chantix 1mg X2 daily. Nothing too bad on side effects, although the dreams I get are interesting.

Haven't smoked in 3 days, and for the most part I've avoided the nicotine fit that turns us into a-holes when we don't get our fix. Usually the craving hits really bad once a day, towards the evening which had been my heavy smoking time. Past that occasional urges to smoke. I really hope those go away.

I've been keeping two cigs on my person. Marlboro Blend No.27, as they are my favorite and the remnant of my last pack. So far I haven't smoked them, and I try to use them as a logical reminder that slipping in a smoke undetected will ultimately undermine what it is I'm trying to do. No slips yet.

All universal moral principles are idle fancies.
-Marquis De Sade
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chuckster 2009-12-14T06:38:08
subject: re: Fighting the %10 success rate
in reply to metalyxmii in message #41:
*I really hope those go away.*

Ever get a small match burn, immediately put ice on it, tend it, pamper it, and have it hurt for hours? Ever look down at the end of a day and realize that you’ve burnt the shit out of yourself, but can’t remember when or how? It’s all about focus, but then I’m sure you already know all that. I started to quip, “Just be glad there’s no such thing as Smoker’s Anonymous, or you’d never quit,” but thought better and Googled the term... got 225,000 hits. How the fuck does anybody quit anything obsessing about it all the time?

Breath deep and move on!

In all fairness though, I looked up the NicA pamphlet, Tips for Gaining Freedom from Nicotine, and while I didn’t agree with all 55 of them, the overall message was worthy enough to forward to my wife’s email.

I'm afraid in her case though, a lobotomy may be our only hope!


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metalyxmii 2009-12-14T15:49:05
subject: re: Fighting the %10 success rate
in reply to chuckster in message #42:
Hey now buddy, let's not discount the lobotomy. Quickly solves many issues. Wait, I'm gonna have to move this into battle of the genders.


All universal moral principles are idle fancies.
-Marquis De Sade
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cyco 2009-12-15T12:57:49
subject: re: Fighting the %10 success rate
in reply to metalyxmii in message #43:
::chuckles::
You seem like the kind of guy that would like to be with a woman that had a lobotomy.

Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals open your eyes.
Leonardo dv Vinci
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paradox 2009-12-15T13:44:51
subject: re: Fighting the %10 success rate
in reply to cyco in message #44:
ZING!



"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." -- Albert Einstein
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metalyxmii 2009-12-15T14:49:01
subject: re: Fighting the %10 success rate
in reply to cyco in message #44:
Utter nonsense sir.

Either she would have the lobotomy so I could deal with her.
Or I would have the lobotomy so I could deal with her.
Nothing sexist about that at all.

All universal moral principles are idle fancies.
-Marquis De Sade
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cyco 2009-12-16T16:04:42
subject: re: Fighting the %10 success rate
in reply to paradox in message #45:
Thank you Thank you. ::bows::

Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals open your eyes.
Leonardo dv Vinci
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chuckster 2009-12-16T22:11:36
subject: re: Fighting the %10 success rate
in reply to metalyxmii in message #46:
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy.

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literallysublime 2009-12-17T04:43:25
subject: re: Fighting the %10 success rate
in reply to chuckster in message #48:
A bottle in front of me usually equates to me acting like I've had a frontal lobotomy.

Listen carefully to me old devil, I'm only interested in two things. See if you can guess what they are.
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chuckster 2009-12-17T05:20:17
subject: re: Fighting the %10 success rate
in reply to literallysublime in message #49:
Exactly! But the effects are reversible.

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chuckster 2009-12-20T05:18:34
subject: re: Fighting the %10 success rate
in reply to metalyxmii in message #46:
So how is your quest going? Gone on any shooting rampages yet? Inquiring minds want to know. Hope it is working for you.

My wife knows she has to quit, at least for her February surgery, but says no way she'll even consider it until after Christmas.

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chuckster 2010-01-31T08:43:51
subject: re: Fighting the %10 success rate
in reply to metalyxmii in message #6:
Thanks for sharing your quest to quit smoking with the help of Chantix. I wasn't aware of that chemical route until you brought it to our attention. I read up on it, passed the info on to my wife, and she is now into her second week of quitting. It is working beautifully. Once again, thanks.



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metalyxmii 2010-01-31T12:34:35
subject: re: Fighting the %10 success rate
in reply to chuckster in message #52:
Well now, my interest in maintaining interest seems to have tapered off.

So here we are, 7-8 weeks after the beginning of the process. I still am smoke free, although like 99% of those on a prescription I managed to waylay instructions. I stopped taking Chantix at week 6 as I picked up some nasty flu thing, and the mild nausea that came with the drug was increased very noticeably. That leaves me with two weeks of the drug plus one months refill that I would like to keep around, just in case.

Today that leaves me in an interesting spot. I can once again eat eggs and drink and which may not sound like much, but whose absence often came up. Step by step from then till now...

The initial feeling, minus the sight nausea doesn't seem to do much. For the initial period of one week I smoked while building up Chantix in my system. Nearly immediately the cigarette presents little pleasure. Paired with the slow dopamine feed your brain gives you on this drug, I found I smoke more out of rote than because a feeling of "need". The latter part of this process gives zero pleasure from smoking, with a very nauseated feeling that helped in the last few days with a little negative reinforcement.

After day 7, my quit date, I had no more cigarettes. It's a little hard to explain to non-smokers, but smoking takes on a much more logical light. It becomes a thing that I had done day to day, but could realize it without the addiction itch.

For instance, on smoking:
After an hour I wanted a cigarette. After two hours I wanted a cigarette. After three hours I would excuse myself from whatever I was doing to have a smoke. After four hours I became a very cynical and insulting person. At five plus hours, I was pure negative. From that point I had a constant feeling of need. Something akin to the drunk feeling. One more beer would really be delicious, and then the next and so on. Except it doesn't go away, ever.

On Chantix:
The same constant awareness that I want a cigarette. I was a pretty dedicated smoker, one right when I woke up, two in the car on the way to school, one or two after every meal, basically one whenever I could up to a pack and a half a day. If I happened two be drinking I would double cigarette consumption. With Chantix I could wake up, realize I craved a cigarette and not have one. No bad feelings from not smoking. I would feel just as good choosing not to smoke. This is what made all the difference in the world. Feeling the same before the decision as after. I would like to smoke, but it's ok if I don't.

Today I am very much past the hump and have the same on the drug effect without the drug. After a good three or four days the nicotine is out of your system, and after 25 days you start to disassociate the habit of smoking. I still have cravings from time to time, sometimes really bad. I can at this point pick out why the craving has hit me, as opposed to satisfying the urge. For example, driving to the Springs to visit the Ofolks. About five minutes out I all of a sudden really want a cigarette. This is because I can't smoke in the girlfriends car, but I usually smoke as soon as we stop. Instead of chewing off my own eyelids, I realize the craving without pandering to it, and it goes away soon after. This is huge, and I recommend it for all people attempting to quit via this route. When feel a craving, talk about it right away if possible. Being able to reason through it, and not hiding it are big things to me. I can say 'this makes me crave a smoke, and here's why' without negative penalty. When you start to hide the feelings of craving, your gonna start lying to yourself, and then it's a short jump to I'm not really addicted, I'm just doing it socially. Have the craving and be ok with it.

The bad of this tale. I did have slight nausea. Not too bad. I still crave cigarettes at the oddest times, so habit breaking will take a while. The first week on the drug, I was having crazy dreams and sleepwalking a bit. Cost is a bit high, but smoking for me was way more expensive. I don't mean in the health sense, really the cost of Chantix is far cheaper, dollar to dollar.

There is a lot of bad press around Chantix, but there are a few things to keep in mind. Yes some people go completely nuts on the drug. About 3% of people have these really nasty side effects. More people fail to use water correctly. That's right, water has a higher mortality rate. You just don't hear as much of the good stuff about Chantix. I fully recommend it. It got me through the hump (about 30 days) and now without the drug I am doing fine. As with any habit be aware of what you're feeling and try to associate a new habit instead of smoking.

Finally, thank you chuck. I hope your wife has the same success I had.

All universal moral principles are idle fancies.
-Marquis De Sade
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what 2010-01-31T13:21:14
subject: re: Fighting the %10 success rate
in reply to metalyxmii in message #53:
In closed areas I'm nauseated by those who exhale their last smoke from outside (I'm a non-smoker).

Does the smell of smoke on others affect your cravings?

Lay down in the aisle and flail
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metalyxmii 2010-01-31T13:31:28
subject: re: Fighting the %10 success rate
in reply to what in message #54:
Not really, though I was a bit of a self-hating smoker. From my early teens I've never liked the smell of cigarettes. That in mind, I always tried to be conscious of where my smoke went. Now I am very much aware of the smell, and it's just as much of a turn off as it was. Most of us just aren't aware of what we're doing. (we "were" doing I suppose)

My cravings are all situational. I can stand by a smoker getting a face full of smoke on every puff and be just fine. As soon as I walk from one class to the next, the urge strikes.

All universal moral principles are idle fancies.
-Marquis De Sade
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shadow_walker 2010-02-10T20:29:38
subject: wanted one life
new or used ....no cash but i will trade.

this world sucks

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shadow_walker 2010-02-10T20:31:47
subject: re: Fighting the %10 success rate
in reply to dilanium in message #32:
coffee the drink of the gods
i think my body is 45%caffeiene

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dcg 2010-06-03T19:42:38
subject: Much needed rant.
Now, I'm not one of those 14 year old wannabe anarchists throwing rocks and firebombing banks and yelling stupid shit like CAPITALISM SUCKS! and ACAB! I'm a radicalist fence sitter. I'm an individualist anarchist and don't really have a problem with the police in general. As a matter of fact, I generally have a lot of respect for the job they do (when they do it right), and the hardships they face. Good cops, although I believe they're rare, are really amazing people.

But. I have been arrested in 38 different countries, mostly in Europe. I've lost count how many times. I've never been convicted of anything, though I've been charged with everything from trespassing to public mischief to attempted murder to some bullshit terrorist thing. That last one was funny, I got charged with terrorism for climbing a tree. Not even a special tree. A tree in a park. I climbed it so I could see the bird's nest in it.

I've been beaten, starved, deprived of sleep, exposed to extreme heat, denied bathroom breaks, thrown from trees, had building floors collapsed out from under me, been pepper-sprayed and hit with a baton WHILE IN HANDCUFFS, sexually assaulted and made to sit in my own urine for hours, all while under police custody.

I have never once physically assaulted a police officer. I tend to be very respectful, until they cross lines. I do my best to obey laws, when those laws are just and valid, and above all, I conduct myself with the dignity and honour I expect from everyone else. I'm kind of an elitist bitch that way. And I still respect every single officer I meet until they prove themselves unworthy of that respect.

So, when I'm sitting in a fucking parking lot for FIVE FUCKING HOURS trying to get my stuff back from some psychotic asshole who has threatened me repeatedly, and then the cops never actually show up, and tell me I may have to wait an additional five hours, I tend to get pissy. I tend to get so pissy I call said psychotic asshole and give him ten minutes to get my shit in its entirety to the foyer, or I'll be calling a few of my friends to help out. They're not so pleasant to assholes who try and assert their manly authority over me. And I doubt they'd be asking nicely.

And then I remind myself that the last people you call when you need help is the police, as much as they'd like you to believe otherwise.

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jadefalcon1 2010-06-03T20:35:12
subject: re: Much needed rant.
in reply to dcg in message #58:
They're not crime prevention. They're crime investigation. Until somebody gets hurt, they're usually not all that interested, because they're pretty limited in their prophylactic powers. Dumb as it is, that's pretty well it.

I hope your friends show up swiftly, and make short work of the malfeasant.

~Jade Falcon
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"I could pull a Kit, and start stripping." ~What
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dcg 2010-06-03T21:10:14
subject: re: Much needed rant.
in reply to jadefalcon1 in message #59:
Oh I got my shit back. Douchebag chickened out. He'd already met one of the friends, and that friend kicked his ass, accidentally, while too drunk to stand on his own somehow.

So. It's funny. They're always encouraging you to rely on them to protect you, but everytime I've called them either before, during, or after, I found myself arrested. Seriously, I called 911 because some assholes were breaking into my house. They looked like construction workers. 911 operator asked me what kind of construction workers, and would I like to answer some questions, while these assholes were breaking down my living room door. I told them to get their asses down and protect me, or I'd have to do it myself, and they showed up, and arrested me. In my fucking house. Because someone else was breaking in and I stood in my living room with my dog and my crowbar ready to swing at them once they broke through.

Dead fucking serious. I've lost all faith in them.

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